Ryanair FR4978 beordrat att landa i Minsk
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simon_says91
Medlem
Såg ut så här tidigare idag på morgonen.
Homer
Medlem
when I spoke with Olga Koloschich, a Belarussian aviation lawyer and adviser to the country’s state-owned air services, she implored me to notice the wording of the air-traffic controllers’ instruction to the crew.
We recommend you to land.
“The captain of the Ryanair aircraft made the decision to land at Minsk National Airport on his own,” she said.
The controllers advised the captain that his plane might be carrying a bomb
—but they then left him the option of landing, according to their advice, or continuing to fly and taking his chance with
a plane that might explode at any moment.
How the Belarus-Ryanair Incident Changed the World - The Atlantic
Homer
Medlem
Intressant och läsvärd artikel i The Atlantic om huruvida det begåtts ett brott eller inte
...Belarus’s main legal obligations come from the 1944 agreement known as the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation.
...Belarus had acted outrageously but perhaps not illegally. First, the Chicago Convention reserves, under its very first article,
territorial sovereignty to the country that is being flown over. That sovereignty includes the right to order the landing of a plane in its airspace.
Chicago does not say that countries can force a landing only under certain enumerated circumstances. It’s simply one of their rights.
“Could they force a flight to land because the Belarussian minister of transportation found out Justin Bieber was a passenger,
and wanted his autograph?” I asked Byerly.
He said that request would be unreasonable and abusive—but emphatically not contrary to the text of Chicago.
The Chicago Convention does limit the means Belarus could use to force a landing. Byerly pointed to Article 3bis, which outlaws the “use of weapons” against civilian aircraft, and although it clearly lets states intercept airplanes, “the safety of aircraft must not be endangered.”
“If the MiG had fired its weapons against the Ryanair flight, that would have been unlawful, irrespective of whether they hit or missed,” Byerly said.
But because the fighter jet did not fire— Belarus could argue that it exercised its rights of sovereignty and abided by Article 3bis.
Calling in a fake bomb threat may not even be illegal, unless doing so endangers the aircraft.
The plane landed safely. The MiG was but a friendly escort
The scandal happens legally, in plain sight. That is why the European Union and others are scrambling:
They have to find a punishment suitable for a country that has twisted the rules but may not have broken them.
That could include boxing off Belarussian airspace.
Whatever revenue tiny Belarus expected to get from overflight fees will drop, as carriers prefer to skirt its border.
How the Belarus-Ryanair Incident Changed the World - The Atlantic
...Belarus’s main legal obligations come from the 1944 agreement known as the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation.
...Belarus had acted outrageously but perhaps not illegally. First, the Chicago Convention reserves, under its very first article,
territorial sovereignty to the country that is being flown over. That sovereignty includes the right to order the landing of a plane in its airspace.
Chicago does not say that countries can force a landing only under certain enumerated circumstances. It’s simply one of their rights.
“Could they force a flight to land because the Belarussian minister of transportation found out Justin Bieber was a passenger,
and wanted his autograph?” I asked Byerly.
He said that request would be unreasonable and abusive—but emphatically not contrary to the text of Chicago.
The Chicago Convention does limit the means Belarus could use to force a landing. Byerly pointed to Article 3bis, which outlaws the “use of weapons” against civilian aircraft, and although it clearly lets states intercept airplanes, “the safety of aircraft must not be endangered.”
“If the MiG had fired its weapons against the Ryanair flight, that would have been unlawful, irrespective of whether they hit or missed,” Byerly said.
But because the fighter jet did not fire— Belarus could argue that it exercised its rights of sovereignty and abided by Article 3bis.
Calling in a fake bomb threat may not even be illegal, unless doing so endangers the aircraft.
The plane landed safely. The MiG was but a friendly escort
The scandal happens legally, in plain sight. That is why the European Union and others are scrambling:
They have to find a punishment suitable for a country that has twisted the rules but may not have broken them.
That could include boxing off Belarussian airspace.
Whatever revenue tiny Belarus expected to get from overflight fees will drop, as carriers prefer to skirt its border.
How the Belarus-Ryanair Incident Changed the World - The Atlantic
Mr Basic
Medlem
Nu har vi inte hört piloternas version (iaf har inte jag sett/hört ngt från PIC/Ryanair) så detta får väl hamna under spekulationer.
Om det nu var angeläget att landa asap (pga bombhot) så har jag svårt att se varför man valde Minsk istf Vilnius (som var både närmare och ursprunglig destination)?
Edit. Den blå markören är Vilnius, den röda Minsk.
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henke12
Medlem
Minns jag rätt var bombhoten (som funnits transkiperat på någon nyhetssida) som relayades genom Vitrysslands flygledning att bomben skulle brisera över Vilnius. Och att Vitryssland rekommenderade landning Minsk.
Troligtvis var heller inte Minsk ett planerat alternativ. Därav lite extra svängar(för att förbereda sig) Kaunas hade för mig också varit ett mer rimligt altera
Mr Basic
Medlem
Och bombhotet inkom till ngn i Vitryssland förstås….
Mr Basic
Medlem
Intressant och ändå inte. Sannolikheten för att Lukasjenka skulle ha ställts till svars för detta oavsett, får ses som obefintlig. Tyvärr är det bara realpolitiska åtgärder som (kanske?) biter när ”makten inte vet några gränser”.
Homer
Medlem
Fanns väl knappast någon anledning för piloterna att ana oråd
över förslaget att landa i Minsk.
Transkribering av konversationen, ej verifierad
'They say code is red': transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk | Reuters
CONTROLLER INFORMS PILOT OF BOMB, SUGGESTS LANDING IN MINSK
Controller: Minsk
Pilot: Yes, go ahead.
Controller: For your information, we have information from special services that you have bomb on board and it can be activated over Vilnius.
Pilot: Standby.
Pilot: Ok, could you repeat the message?
Controller: I say again, we have information from special services that you have bomb on board. That bomb can be activated over Vilnius.
Pilot: Roger that, standby.
Controller: For security reason we recommend you to land at UMMS. (ICAO code for Minsk airport)
Pilot: Ok...that..it..understood give us alternate please.
Pilot: The bomb....direct message, where did it come from? Where did you have information about it from?
ATC: Standby please.
Pilot: Go ahead.
ATC: Airport security staff informed they received e-mail.
Pilot: Roger, Vilnius airport security staff or from Greece?
ATC: This e-mail was shared to several airports.
Pilot: Roger, standby.
PILOT ASKS FOR FURTHER DETAILS
Pilot: Again, this recommendation to divert to Minsk where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company?
Did it come from departure airport authorities or arrival airport authorities?
Controller: This is our recommendations.
Pilot: Can you say again?
Controller: This is our recommendations.
Pilot: (unreadable.)
Pilot: Did you say that your recommendation?
PILOT AGREES TO LAND IN MINSK
Controller: Advise your decision please.
Pilot: I need answer the question: what is the code of the (unreadable) green, yellow or amber, red.
Controller: Standby.
Controller: They say code is red.
Pilot: Roger that, in that case we request holding at present position.
Controller: Roger, hold over your position, maintain FL390 turns at own discretion.
Pilot: Ok holding at our discretion at present position maintaining FL390.
Pilot: We are declaring an emergency MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY RYR 1TZ. Our intentions would be to divert to Minsk airport.
ATC: RYR 1TZ MAYDAY, Roger. Standby for vectors.
över förslaget att landa i Minsk.
Transkribering av konversationen, ej verifierad
'They say code is red': transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk | Reuters
CONTROLLER INFORMS PILOT OF BOMB, SUGGESTS LANDING IN MINSK
Controller: Minsk
Pilot: Yes, go ahead.
Controller: For your information, we have information from special services that you have bomb on board and it can be activated over Vilnius.
Pilot: Standby.
Pilot: Ok, could you repeat the message?
Controller: I say again, we have information from special services that you have bomb on board. That bomb can be activated over Vilnius.
Pilot: Roger that, standby.
Controller: For security reason we recommend you to land at UMMS. (ICAO code for Minsk airport)
Pilot: Ok...that..it..understood give us alternate please.
Pilot: The bomb....direct message, where did it come from? Where did you have information about it from?
ATC: Standby please.
Pilot: Go ahead.
ATC: Airport security staff informed they received e-mail.
Pilot: Roger, Vilnius airport security staff or from Greece?
ATC: This e-mail was shared to several airports.
Pilot: Roger, standby.
PILOT ASKS FOR FURTHER DETAILS
Pilot: Again, this recommendation to divert to Minsk where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company?
Did it come from departure airport authorities or arrival airport authorities?
Controller: This is our recommendations.
Pilot: Can you say again?
Controller: This is our recommendations.
Pilot: (unreadable.)
Pilot: Did you say that your recommendation?
PILOT AGREES TO LAND IN MINSK
Controller: Advise your decision please.
Pilot: I need answer the question: what is the code of the (unreadable) green, yellow or amber, red.
Controller: Standby.
Controller: They say code is red.
Pilot: Roger that, in that case we request holding at present position.
Controller: Roger, hold over your position, maintain FL390 turns at own discretion.
Pilot: Ok holding at our discretion at present position maintaining FL390.
Pilot: We are declaring an emergency MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY RYR 1TZ. Our intentions would be to divert to Minsk airport.
ATC: RYR 1TZ MAYDAY, Roger. Standby for vectors.
Mr Basic
Medlem
Tack, den hade jag inte sett.
Bara för att förtydliga, jag tror inte piloterna och flygledaren i Minsk är med i ngn konspiration för att gripa en dissident. Däremot är väl mitt förtroende för ”Belarus special services” sådär…