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Var läser jag fel i texten? Han förklarar sin situation om långa dagar, helger, inte ät på hotellet. Han säger sen att folk ska betala mer för en biljett för att han inte ska riskera lönedumpning (antar jag är poängen om "norske modeller", för den lär ju inte åsyftas säkerhetsarbetet). Hela denna del av texten gäller hans situation och vad som är en skälig lönenivå. Sista meningen säger han också att vi är sista garantin för säkerhet.

Det var min poäng. Så funkar mina brillor...

Du leser teksten uten å ha vært i Norge i det siste, tenker jeg. Du henger deg opp i hans forsvarstale, som i grunnen står i lys av at den norske befolkning hylte og skreik mot piloter under Norwegian-streiken. Her var hovedpoengene fra den norske gjennomsnittsmannen (average joe) i kommentarfelt+i avisene via propagandamøllen til Norwegian:
*Piloter er latterlig overbetalte med årslønner på over 1 million
*Piloter har latterlig mye fritt og jobber bare 1/4 av året
*Piloter har latterlig godt betalt om de får overtid
*Piloter er tidenes mest bortskjemte yrkesgruppe og de skal bare holde kjeft med å klage på sine arbeidsforhold
*Piloter har det bedre enn de fortjener
*Piloter reiser verden rundt i luksus
*Piloter reiser gratis med flyselskapet sitt (LOL sier jeg bare, prisen på standbyreiser har stått i ro mens vanlige billetter har blitt billigere enn å reise standby.)
*Piloter som streiker for å ha en normal chain of liability fortjener å bli satt på gaten.

Et cetera. Det har vært et ENORMT negativt trøkk mot piloter. Fordommer, fördom, prejudice due to lack of knowledge.
(Og for ordens skyld, virkeligheten er ikke slik noen av punktene er).
Tror du ikke på meg? Tilfeldig skjermdump fra et kommentarfelt under en artikkel om norwegian-streiken.
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Well, jag tycker att marknaden (oftast) betalar vad folk är värda. Tycker jag att man ska tjäna bra som en pilot, absolut. Jag har inte ett dugg emot det. Det förtar dock inte ett dugg av vad jag sa, eller vad han skrev. Halva texten tog upp hans arbetssituation och att han tyckte han förtjänade den lönen pga det. Personligen tycker jag inte han har det så jäkla tufft, i de saker han beskriver. Jag har också levt så där och tjänade väldigt mycket mindre än en pilot gör. Idag lever jag inte så dock. Jag förstår inte riktigt vad som är grejen dock. De tjänar bra och vissa människor gnäller och tycker de är bortskämda. Ska jag då tycka synd om honom? Inte en chans säger jag. Jag får känslan att han söker sympati för sin lön med de punkter han tar upp, som inte har ett dugg med jobbet i sig som utförs, eller säkerheten. Kanske menar han något annat, men då valde han ganska konstigt sätt att beskriva något annat. Halva texten handlade trots allt om det.

Anledningen till att jag reagerar är att hela den här debatten ang Norwegian så har man fört fram att det handlar inte om lön osv, utan större viktigare saker. Sen när jag läser den där texten så handlar 50% om lönen...
 
I give up, her snakker man bare rundt grøten og kommer aldri til mål. Life's too short for that.

Merker meg at når crazy voyager kommer med akkurat de samme - konkrete poengene - og bekrefter det som er hovedpoenget.... Så er det tyst som i ørkenen her. Fakta ødelegger en hver diskusjon, men gleder meg allikevel over at poenget kommer fram!
 
Fast nu diskuterade vi ju om det var synd om din pilotvän eller inte. Jag tycker inte det. Dock tycker jag att han säkert förtjänar den lön han har, men inte pga att room service ibland är stängt på hans hotell. ;) Det var ju trots allt du som postade texten, fick respons och sen inte kunde förstå alls vad den responsen gällde...
 
Fast nu diskuterade vi ju om det var synd om din pilotvän eller inte. Jag tycker inte det. Dock tycker jag att han säkert förtjänar den lön han har, men inte pga att room service ibland är stängt på hans hotell. ;) Det var ju trots allt du som postade texten, fick respons och sen inte kunde förstå alls vad den responsen gällde...

Igjen: du tillegger meg meninger og motiver jeg ikke har.
 
Well, jag tycker att marknaden (oftast) betalar vad folk är värda. Tycker jag att man ska tjäna bra som en pilot, absolut. Jag har inte ett dugg emot det. Det förtar dock inte ett dugg av vad jag sa, eller vad han skrev. Halva texten tog upp hans arbetssituation och att han tyckte han förtjänade den lönen pga det. Personligen tycker jag inte han har det så jäkla tufft, i de saker han beskriver. Jag har också levt så där och tjänade väldigt mycket mindre än en pilot gör. Idag lever jag inte så dock. Jag förstår inte riktigt vad som är grejen dock. De tjänar bra och vissa människor gnäller och tycker de är bortskämda. Ska jag då tycka synd om honom? Inte en chans säger jag. Jag får känslan att han söker sympati för sin lön med de punkter han tar upp, som inte har ett dugg med jobbet i sig som utförs, eller säkerheten. Kanske menar han något annat, men då valde han ganska konstigt sätt att beskriva något annat. Halva texten handlade trots allt om det.

Anledningen till att jag reagerar är att hela den här debatten ang Norwegian så har man fört fram att det handlar inte om lön osv, utan större viktigare saker. Sen när jag läser den där texten så handlar 50% om lönen...

En lön som han valde att inte skriva ut utan enbart "OB tillägg". Fanns nog en tanke med det.
 
Alps tragedy exposes relentless pressures faced by commercial pilots | Comment is free | The Guardian

A “black swan event” has three attributes: unpredictability, consequences and retrospective explicability.

Mostly it’s about fatigue; the crushing fatigue you can feel after several hours behind the wheel of a car or perhaps even as the co-pilot of a budget airline passenger jet after several, rapid turnarounds between European cities in a single day.

Like most professions, pilots like to socialise and swap gossip; the preferred option being a curry-and-cold-beer night out. I’m a commercial pilot and an occasional instructor working outside the airline industry, but the stories I hear from my friends, about the pressures of working in the business, have remained consistent for a long time now.
Principal among the stresses lies chronic fatigue, and this is particularly common among the low-cost carriers. Back in March 2008 I flew a protest banner for Balpa (the British Airline Pilots Association) to Heathrow, protesting against the new rules being passed by the European parliament standardising pilots’ flight and rest times across Europe, despite claims from unions that they could put passenger safety at risk and “lead to pilots flying while dangerously fatigued”.

In addition to fatigue, younger pilots have told me of a different kind of insidious stress while working for budget airlines, and that’s a fear of losing one’s first aviation job as a low-hours commercial pilot through failing to perform to management expectations.

This fear, more often than not, surrounds zero-hours contracts and the average £50,000 or more of training debt that a first officer might be carrying when he or she climbs out of a simulator and into the righthand seat of a Boeing 737 or A310 Airbus.

More than one in six of Europe’s pilots are now employed through a temporary job agency, are self-employed or work on a zero-hours contract with no minimum pay guaranteed. As one pilot once remarked to me: “There’s a long queue of desperate young pilots looking for a first step on the career ladder and happy to take my place. If I don’t turn up for work one day, I might not be called again.”

Last December the European Cockpit Association called on Europe’s transport ministers to take action against what it labelled unfair labour practices, including zero-hours contracts and “bogus self-employment” – where pilots are contracted to work via their own limited liability company but prevented from working for other airlines.

If you mention the word slavery to a group of airline pilots, they’ll laugh and one company will always appear at the top of everyone’s list. Frequently that’s the only route, much like 19th-century indentured servitude, to a successful, less stressful and perhaps well-rewarded, tax-free flying career in one of the larger airlines, Middle Eastern carriers preferred.

A second stress in the glare of last week’s disaster is security. One pilot told me only last month that he had experienced enough of being “treated like a criminal” by airport security and was going to look for another job. Long-haul pilots flying back and forth to the US have an even worse time from the American TSA (Transportation Security Administration) and swapping horror stories over a cold beer isn’t an unusual form of unwinding. I’ve heard it described as a “them and us” confrontation with airport security, but regardless of who might be to blame, and the reasons for it, it brings with it an impact on crew morale.

If there is one positive outcome from last week, it may be that the endemic pressures pilots now face in a brutally competitive industry will be placed under a very public spotlight for proper and responsible debate.

Simon Moores is a commercial pilot and aviation writer who advises companies on risk management



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Pilots on the Germanwings Murder/Suicide — The Atlantic


After the Germanwings crash I argued that no single safety device or security protocol could protect the flying public against a pilot determined to do harm. A number of veteran pilots write in to agree, but also to suggest that this episode illustrates some structural problems within the modern cost-cutting air-travel industry.

1) "Low-cost pilots, low-cost lives." Adam Shaw, who has had a varied and interesting career as a writer and flyer and now leads an aerobatics team in Europe, writes as follows. I've added interstitial explanations in brackets [like this]:

No one can disagree with your: “no new regulation … can offer perfect protection against calculated malice.”


But eliminating P2F is the first step. [JF note: P2F, or "Pay to Fly," is a scheme in which pilots-in-training, while still paying tuition to a flight school, simultaneously serve as flight-crew members on real airlines carrying real passengers. That is, rather than earning pay for their work, they are the ones paying. Without getting into all the details, this is now widely considered a scam.]


A good second step is the FAA’s reinstatement of the very old (your piece leads folks to believe it is new…) rule requiring 1,500 hrs of flight time before taking the ATP written. [JF: The change that the FAA ordered two years ago, as explained here, was requiring first-officer or "co-pilot" candidates to have an Airline Transport Pilot certificate, which among other things requires 1,500 hours of flying experience. Before that, people could apply for first-officer positions with only a Commercial certificate, with an experience minimum of only 250 hours.]


Asian and European authorities should instantly copy this. Why? Because in the years it takes to get to 1,500 hrs (flight instructing, crop dusting, banner towing, flying jumpers, or whatever) budding pilots get real experience with airplanes that are often gritty, shitty, and temperamental.


The years they put in to get those 1,500 hrs also—and this is just a critical— expose them to their peers, to repeated medical examinations … to repeated scrutiny. [JF: Working with ATP privileges requires a First Class FAA medical certificate, with a full medical exam every six months. Working with Commercial privileges requires a Second Class medical, with an exam once a year. Private pilots like me can fly with a Third Class medical, which lasts either two or five years, depending on your age.]


These days, the 250-hr button twiddling geeks can go from pounding the sidewalk to the right seat of a passenger jet in less than two years. That's two medicals, and practically no peer review, not time for quirks, or worse, to become apparent. I know the trend is for low cost airlines (low-cost training) low-cost clothes, low-cost food, low-cost … lives.


With most old-fashioned pilots retired or within minutes of retirement, we’re now faced with left-seaters who have come up the ab-initio or worse, the geek P2F, way.


Unless things change, and change fast, we’re going to see a lot more AF# 447, Asiana #214, Transasia #235 events in the coming years.


And when people start looking for whom to blame, the answer is simple: Joe-six-pack who wanted a $99 flight from New York to L.A, or Pierre Baguette who wanted a 65-euro Paris-Casablanca … and the cynical bean counters who make this possible


You can see a video of Adam Shaw's formation-flying team here, and one of him flying through the mountains with his dog as first officer here.

On the point he makes about the value of sheer experience: Within the next year I should reach 2,000 hours of total flying time. That would not be much for someone who does this as a professional but reflects my trying to stay at it steadily year by year.

The difference from when I had 250 hours of experience, or 500, is not any particular new skill. Indeed, many obligatory pass-the-test skills have certainly atrophied (like, an NDB approach or "turns around a point").

The difference is simply that I've seen more things happen, so there's a diminishing realm of situations I will encounter for the first time. It's roughly similar to the difference between parents' first few nervous weeks with a baby and what they learn as the months (and children) roll on. In the amateur-flying world this includes: what it's like when the alternator fails; what it's like when you have an oil problem; what it's like when you have to tell a controller "unable"; which mountain passes you're better off avoiding; which level of crosswinds and gusty winds you can handle on landings; which clouds mean trouble and which don't; what cues let controllers think you know what you're doing and which signal the reverse; at what temperature range just above and below freezing you need to be most alert to icing; what errors or lapses you're most likely to make. This is known in the aviation world as "filling up the experience bucket before the luck bucket empties out," and I agree with Adam Shaw, from his much more experienced perspective, that it's an important part of developing qualified airline pilots.

2) "An incentive to cheat." A pilot writes about the perverse incentives that encourage pilots not to seek treatment for illnesses, including mental illness:

The current interpretation of the cockpit voice recordings from Germanwings 4U9525 provides clear evidence of a problem with the certification of pilots for flight duty.


While the aviation industry has an enviable safety record, that safety record comes from a willingness to examine the information garnered from failure and to improve. We now have evidence of two major air disasters in the span of a decade and a half [JF: the other being the EgyptAir crash in 1999], caused by similar failures: mass murder by a pilot. I believe that should lead to a reconsideration of pilot medical certification. Certainly, I suggest that if any other type of component failed so disastrously in two separate flights in the span of a decade and a half, those failures would trigger an examination of the certification process.


Your colleagues have already made the point that news accounts have stigmatized people with mental illnesses over this event. I observe that the process of medical certification for flight has virtually no treatment component at all: it is virtually entirely adversarial. Even where aviation medical authorities make no claim to having effectively evaluated a condition, their public statements on the topic frequently suggest they plan to find a way to keep people who have it out of the cockpit. The default attitude seems to be that only neuro-typical individuals belong in the cockpit, and if we don’t have an actual reason to keep others out, we should do more researchers.


I have no doubt you know well how pilots react. A small minority simply lie on their medical forms. Many more of us manage our lives so as to avoid diagnoses or medications we would not want to report on an aeromedical exam. I believe that only a few fortunate pilots have not at some time in our lives asked how we could manage an issue: stress, grief, a physical accident without resorting to medications we would have to explain on a medical. If you have never sat in on a conversation on how to choose a medical examiner, I suspect you may belong to an unusual pilot community. [JF: I have heard such conversations.]


The system gives pilots an incentive to cheat themselves out of the best quality of care. Any arrangement that promotes an adversarial relationship between doctor and patient compromises medicine.


Doctors who support policies that make them into police should ask themselves what practicing medicine will be like when all their patients lawyer up. The system does not need to operate from an adversarial perspective.


Other approaches are possible. The aeromedical system could start with the premise that their job is not to keep people out of the cockpit, but to put them in one safely, then structure their research around finding best treatment practices to allow pilots to fly safely with as many medical issues as possible. Under legal pressure, particularly from the AOPA [Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association], the FAA already follows this policy in practice. I believe this change would lead to safer skies, and possibly healthier pilots.


3) Getting what we pay for. Another veteran professional pilot on the themes Adam Shaw raised in letter #1. I've added the emphasis to the other messages; in this one they're in the original.

The reality is that this pilot would never have been hired by a major U.S. airline without more flight experience. In recent past, the U.S. law was changed so that any U.S. carrier would require 1,500 flight hours to apply for an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) rating, a required certification before getting hired. ...

Foreign airlines recognize an MPL (Multi-engine Pilot License) with only 200 hours of flight instruction before climbing in the right seat of your commercial airplane. With 18 months as an employee of this airline, this particular co-pilot had only accumulated 630 hours. ...

Foreign captains are often flying basically alone, with a very inexperienced new co-pilot. The doomed captain's thousands of hours of flight time did him little good, while foolishly locked out of the cockpit. As a check pilot in several fleets (B727, B757, B767, B777) for two decades before I retired, even a new co-pilot had thousands of hours in complex commercial aircraft before transitioning to a new fleet and was never alone in the cockpit.

There is a national and international shortage of commercial pilots resulting in the lowering of standards in employment and certification, particularly among foreign carriers. It is also why there is increasing reliance on automation in aircraft design, particularly in the Airbus philosophy of restricting pilots from overriding the autopilot to enhance sales. Watch the video on the Airbus' own chief test pilot fly a new a-320 into the woods at the Paris Air Show a decade ago as a demonstration of the potential evils of automation.

China, for example, doesn't yet have the highway systems that North America or Europe benefit from, making China more dependent on air travel as their economy grows. [JF: On this point, consider China Airborne!] Foreign-born pilots are the main source of new crew members there just as it is in most Gulf airlines where there is no population base or education system for replacement or expansion of services.

Airline managements too often demote pilot managers' authority within corporate hierarchy and select inexperienced pilots from their ranks who have limited influence or incentive to effect change. Finance, sales and marketing, legal, and technology managers do however make sure your smartphone airline app works, the disclaimers on your ticket are unintelligible, cheaper labor is found, and administrative costs are minimized. That's where the industry is headed.

Another reason to enjoy retirement after 36 years.
4) "Not just meat in the seat." Finally, on the term "co-pilot":

Thank you for finally addressing the "pilot"/"co-pilot" monicker that has nearly driven me insane over the last two decades of my career.

Far too many people assume, incorrectly, that the co-pilot is merely along to read checklists and assist the "pilot" as he or she flies the aircraft. A perfect example of this comes to light when discussing the US Airways flight 1549 ditching in the Hudson River.

Most everyone knows Captain "Sully" Sullenberger but very few recall the name of first officer Jeffrey Skiles. Even Wikipedia gets involved by stating "... and captain Sullenberger was soon regarded as a hero by some accounts." If I'm not mistaken First Officer Skiles was actually at the controls for a good portion of the event. Regardless of who was flying at the time of touch down, they would both have been working incredibly hard to get the aircraft safely on the ground, or water in this case.

Perhaps someone should do a follow up to see what first officer Skiles is doing and how he is coping with having been "co-pilot" during "The Miracle on the Hudson."

As a pilot with over 10,000 hours of flying time I would like to think that when I'm flying as first officer, aka co-pilot, I am considered more than just "meat in the seat."
 
Alps tragedy exposes relentless pressures faced by commercial pilots | Comment is free | The Guardian

A “black swan event” has three attributes: unpredictability, consequences and retrospective explicability.

Mostly it’s about fatigue; the crushing fatigue you can feel after several hours behind the wheel of a car or perhaps even as the co-pilot of a budget airline passenger jet after several, rapid turnarounds between European cities in a single day.

Like most professions, pilots like to socialise and swap gossip; the preferred option being a curry-and-cold-beer night out. I’m a commercial pilot and an occasional instructor working outside the airline industry, but the stories I hear from my friends, about the pressures of working in the business, have remained consistent for a long time now.
Principal among the stresses lies chronic fatigue, and this is particularly common among the low-cost carriers. Back in March 2008 I flew a protest banner for Balpa (the British Airline Pilots Association) to Heathrow, protesting against the new rules being passed by the European parliament standardising pilots’ flight and rest times across Europe, despite claims from unions that they could put passenger safety at risk and “lead to pilots flying while dangerously fatigued”.

In addition to fatigue, younger pilots have told me of a different kind of insidious stress while working for budget airlines, and that’s a fear of losing one’s first aviation job as a low-hours commercial pilot through failing to perform to management expectations.

This fear, more often than not, surrounds zero-hours contracts and the average £50,000 or more of training debt that a first officer might be carrying when he or she climbs out of a simulator and into the righthand seat of a Boeing 737 or A310 Airbus.

More than one in six of Europe’s pilots are now employed through a temporary job agency, are self-employed or work on a zero-hours contract with no minimum pay guaranteed. As one pilot once remarked to me: “There’s a long queue of desperate young pilots looking for a first step on the career ladder and happy to take my place. If I don’t turn up for work one day, I might not be called again.”

Last December the European Cockpit Association called on Europe’s transport ministers to take action against what it labelled unfair labour practices, including zero-hours contracts and “bogus self-employment” – where pilots are contracted to work via their own limited liability company but prevented from working for other airlines.

If you mention the word slavery to a group of airline pilots, they’ll laugh and one company will always appear at the top of everyone’s list. Frequently that’s the only route, much like 19th-century indentured servitude, to a successful, less stressful and perhaps well-rewarded, tax-free flying career in one of the larger airlines, Middle Eastern carriers preferred.

A second stress in the glare of last week’s disaster is security. One pilot told me only last month that he had experienced enough of being “treated like a criminal” by airport security and was going to look for another job. Long-haul pilots flying back and forth to the US have an even worse time from the American TSA (Transportation Security Administration) and swapping horror stories over a cold beer isn’t an unusual form of unwinding. I’ve heard it described as a “them and us” confrontation with airport security, but regardless of who might be to blame, and the reasons for it, it brings with it an impact on crew morale.

If there is one positive outcome from last week, it may be that the endemic pressures pilots now face in a brutally competitive industry will be placed under a very public spotlight for proper and responsible debate.

Simon Moores is a commercial pilot and aviation writer who advises companies on risk management



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Pilots on the Germanwings Murder/Suicide — The Atlantic


After the Germanwings crash I argued that no single safety device or security protocol could protect the flying public against a pilot determined to do harm. A number of veteran pilots write in to agree, but also to suggest that this episode illustrates some structural problems within the modern cost-cutting air-travel industry.

1) "Low-cost pilots, low-cost lives." Adam Shaw, who has had a varied and interesting career as a writer and flyer and now leads an aerobatics team in Europe, writes as follows. I've added interstitial explanations in brackets [like this]:

No one can disagree with your: “no new regulation … can offer perfect protection against calculated malice.”


But eliminating P2F is the first step. [JF note: P2F, or "Pay to Fly," is a scheme in which pilots-in-training, while still paying tuition to a flight school, simultaneously serve as flight-crew members on real airlines carrying real passengers. That is, rather than earning pay for their work, they are the ones paying. Without getting into all the details, this is now widely considered a scam.]


A good second step is the FAA’s reinstatement of the very old (your piece leads folks to believe it is new…) rule requiring 1,500 hrs of flight time before taking the ATP written. [JF: The change that the FAA ordered two years ago, as explained here, was requiring first-officer or "co-pilot" candidates to have an Airline Transport Pilot certificate, which among other things requires 1,500 hours of flying experience. Before that, people could apply for first-officer positions with only a Commercial certificate, with an experience minimum of only 250 hours.]


Asian and European authorities should instantly copy this. Why? Because in the years it takes to get to 1,500 hrs (flight instructing, crop dusting, banner towing, flying jumpers, or whatever) budding pilots get real experience with airplanes that are often gritty, shitty, and temperamental.


The years they put in to get those 1,500 hrs also—and this is just a critical— expose them to their peers, to repeated medical examinations … to repeated scrutiny. [JF: Working with ATP privileges requires a First Class FAA medical certificate, with a full medical exam every six months. Working with Commercial privileges requires a Second Class medical, with an exam once a year. Private pilots like me can fly with a Third Class medical, which lasts either two or five years, depending on your age.]


These days, the 250-hr button twiddling geeks can go from pounding the sidewalk to the right seat of a passenger jet in less than two years. That's two medicals, and practically no peer review, not time for quirks, or worse, to become apparent. I know the trend is for low cost airlines (low-cost training) low-cost clothes, low-cost food, low-cost … lives.


With most old-fashioned pilots retired or within minutes of retirement, we’re now faced with left-seaters who have come up the ab-initio or worse, the geek P2F, way.


Unless things change, and change fast, we’re going to see a lot more AF# 447, Asiana #214, Transasia #235 events in the coming years.


And when people start looking for whom to blame, the answer is simple: Joe-six-pack who wanted a $99 flight from New York to L.A, or Pierre Baguette who wanted a 65-euro Paris-Casablanca … and the cynical bean counters who make this possible


You can see a video of Adam Shaw's formation-flying team here, and one of him flying through the mountains with his dog as first officer here.

On the point he makes about the value of sheer experience: Within the next year I should reach 2,000 hours of total flying time. That would not be much for someone who does this as a professional but reflects my trying to stay at it steadily year by year.

The difference from when I had 250 hours of experience, or 500, is not any particular new skill. Indeed, many obligatory pass-the-test skills have certainly atrophied (like, an NDB approach or "turns around a point").

The difference is simply that I've seen more things happen, so there's a diminishing realm of situations I will encounter for the first time. It's roughly similar to the difference between parents' first few nervous weeks with a baby and what they learn as the months (and children) roll on. In the amateur-flying world this includes: what it's like when the alternator fails; what it's like when you have an oil problem; what it's like when you have to tell a controller "unable"; which mountain passes you're better off avoiding; which level of crosswinds and gusty winds you can handle on landings; which clouds mean trouble and which don't; what cues let controllers think you know what you're doing and which signal the reverse; at what temperature range just above and below freezing you need to be most alert to icing; what errors or lapses you're most likely to make. This is known in the aviation world as "filling up the experience bucket before the luck bucket empties out," and I agree with Adam Shaw, from his much more experienced perspective, that it's an important part of developing qualified airline pilots.

2) "An incentive to cheat." A pilot writes about the perverse incentives that encourage pilots not to seek treatment for illnesses, including mental illness:

The current interpretation of the cockpit voice recordings from Germanwings 4U9525 provides clear evidence of a problem with the certification of pilots for flight duty.


While the aviation industry has an enviable safety record, that safety record comes from a willingness to examine the information garnered from failure and to improve. We now have evidence of two major air disasters in the span of a decade and a half [JF: the other being the EgyptAir crash in 1999], caused by similar failures: mass murder by a pilot. I believe that should lead to a reconsideration of pilot medical certification. Certainly, I suggest that if any other type of component failed so disastrously in two separate flights in the span of a decade and a half, those failures would trigger an examination of the certification process.


Your colleagues have already made the point that news accounts have stigmatized people with mental illnesses over this event. I observe that the process of medical certification for flight has virtually no treatment component at all: it is virtually entirely adversarial. Even where aviation medical authorities make no claim to having effectively evaluated a condition, their public statements on the topic frequently suggest they plan to find a way to keep people who have it out of the cockpit. The default attitude seems to be that only neuro-typical individuals belong in the cockpit, and if we don’t have an actual reason to keep others out, we should do more researchers.


I have no doubt you know well how pilots react. A small minority simply lie on their medical forms. Many more of us manage our lives so as to avoid diagnoses or medications we would not want to report on an aeromedical exam. I believe that only a few fortunate pilots have not at some time in our lives asked how we could manage an issue: stress, grief, a physical accident without resorting to medications we would have to explain on a medical. If you have never sat in on a conversation on how to choose a medical examiner, I suspect you may belong to an unusual pilot community. [JF: I have heard such conversations.]


The system gives pilots an incentive to cheat themselves out of the best quality of care. Any arrangement that promotes an adversarial relationship between doctor and patient compromises medicine.


Doctors who support policies that make them into police should ask themselves what practicing medicine will be like when all their patients lawyer up. The system does not need to operate from an adversarial perspective.


Other approaches are possible. The aeromedical system could start with the premise that their job is not to keep people out of the cockpit, but to put them in one safely, then structure their research around finding best treatment practices to allow pilots to fly safely with as many medical issues as possible. Under legal pressure, particularly from the AOPA [Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association], the FAA already follows this policy in practice. I believe this change would lead to safer skies, and possibly healthier pilots.


3) Getting what we pay for. Another veteran professional pilot on the themes Adam Shaw raised in letter #1. I've added the emphasis to the other messages; in this one they're in the original.

The reality is that this pilot would never have been hired by a major U.S. airline without more flight experience. In recent past, the U.S. law was changed so that any U.S. carrier would require 1,500 flight hours to apply for an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) rating, a required certification before getting hired. ...

Foreign airlines recognize an MPL (Multi-engine Pilot License) with only 200 hours of flight instruction before climbing in the right seat of your commercial airplane. With 18 months as an employee of this airline, this particular co-pilot had only accumulated 630 hours. ...

Foreign captains are often flying basically alone, with a very inexperienced new co-pilot. The doomed captain's thousands of hours of flight time did him little good, while foolishly locked out of the cockpit. As a check pilot in several fleets (B727, B757, B767, B777) for two decades before I retired, even a new co-pilot had thousands of hours in complex commercial aircraft before transitioning to a new fleet and was never alone in the cockpit.

There is a national and international shortage of commercial pilots resulting in the lowering of standards in employment and certification, particularly among foreign carriers. It is also why there is increasing reliance on automation in aircraft design, particularly in the Airbus philosophy of restricting pilots from overriding the autopilot to enhance sales. Watch the video on the Airbus' own chief test pilot fly a new a-320 into the woods at the Paris Air Show a decade ago as a demonstration of the potential evils of automation.

China, for example, doesn't yet have the highway systems that North America or Europe benefit from, making China more dependent on air travel as their economy grows. [JF: On this point, consider China Airborne!] Foreign-born pilots are the main source of new crew members there just as it is in most Gulf airlines where there is no population base or education system for replacement or expansion of services.

Airline managements too often demote pilot managers' authority within corporate hierarchy and select inexperienced pilots from their ranks who have limited influence or incentive to effect change. Finance, sales and marketing, legal, and technology managers do however make sure your smartphone airline app works, the disclaimers on your ticket are unintelligible, cheaper labor is found, and administrative costs are minimized. That's where the industry is headed.

Another reason to enjoy retirement after 36 years.
4) "Not just meat in the seat." Finally, on the term "co-pilot":
Thank you for finally addressing the "pilot"/"co-pilot" monicker that has nearly driven me insane over the last two decades of my career.

Far too many people assume, incorrectly, that the co-pilot is merely along to read checklists and assist the "pilot" as he or she flies the aircraft. A perfect example of this comes to light when discussing the US Airways flight 1549 ditching in the Hudson River.

Most everyone knows Captain "Sully" Sullenberger but very few recall the name of first officer Jeffrey Skiles. Even Wikipedia gets involved by stating "... and captain Sullenberger was soon regarded as a hero by some accounts." If I'm not mistaken First Officer Skiles was actually at the controls for a good portion of the event. Regardless of who was flying at the time of touch down, they would both have been working incredibly hard to get the aircraft safely on the ground, or water in this case.

Perhaps someone should do a follow up to see what first officer Skiles is doing and how he is coping with having been "co-pilot" during "The Miracle on the Hudson."

As a pilot with over 10,000 hours of flying time I would like to think that when I'm flying as first officer, aka co-pilot, I am considered more than just "meat in the seat."

Once again Aurora. I have difficulties to see where you are aiming with these kind of "articles".
Am I (we) supposed to take them as a serious "evidence" that we have a high risk of more crashes or is it just one more in the crowd of all examples you have been dragging up when it comes how "tough" it can be to be a pilot?
Please let us know what you are thinking?
The first chapter by Simon is really making me confused over what he (and you??) are trying to state?

When I was very young I worked as a butcher cutting up pigs. The salary for the whole team was based on how many pigs you could make during one week. Within the team there were a % system on how to divide so you were measured by your effiency. When you were a new employe you spent all your breaks trying to catch up all you did not manage to do during inbetween the breaks.
You started at 04:15 and worked until 17:00 with fridays off. There was a constant pressure from everyone in the team to do 100% every minute. This despite that you where so beat that you soemtimes could not feel the knife in your hand. When you were finished in the end of the day you took commuting home because otherwise you would risk to end up in the ditch or ran into someone using a car.
The friday off - you spent that one to recover.
You were always injured with small cuts that got infected because spinal fluid from the pigs is very nutrisious and a lot of the pigs were poorly cleaned meaning that the bacteria had a really nice feast in your cuts. Constant ake in your knife holding hand and right shoulder. It took me 3 month before I had my first surgery du to trigger finger syndrom (tendovaginitis stenosans) caused by the constant holding of the knife in temperatures below +4C. Addition to this the company I worked at where specialists cutting "high quote fat/meat" meaning that the pigs were really hard after been hanging in a cold storage room for a few days in combination with loosing some moisture making the pigs even harder to cut.
In average we made between 1100 - 1300 pigs per day and that is a loot in that kind of business.
That was a stressfull job with alot of fatigue - I can asure you that. You had both variants of constant stress - one part from the team and one part from the cold environment one part from the constant fear of making a bigger cutting misstake (you loose money) and above all - cutting you so bad so you will get a permanent injury. I managed well - I just cut my palmaris longus in my left lower arm without any permanent damage after some surgery.
During the sick leave I started to reflect over what the hell was I doing so I quit.
Why did I keept going with this job for so long? Well! The pay was really really good (in a combination with youthly missing "know how" on what is good in life :))
So! When someone is talking about hard working environment and fatigue I usually smile a bit inside my self especialy when I read this "A second stress in the glare of last week’s disaster is security. One pilot told me only last month that he had experienced enough of being “treated like a criminal” by airport security and was going to look for another job. Long-haul pilots flying back and forth to the US have an even worse time from the American TSA (Transportation Security Administration) and swapping horror stories over a cold beer isn’t an unusual form of unwinding. I’ve heard it described as a “them and us” confrontation with airport security, but regardless of who might be to blame, and the reasons for it, it brings with it an impact on crew morale."
:)

Tror det är dags att youtuba lite "Hay hay hay! Mitt namn är Tony Rickardsson" :)
 
Nå er det heldigvis ikke du, monkey_class, som sitter i styrene på norsk luftfartsforbund, i skandinaviske pilotforeninger, i luftfartsverket eller i havarikommisjoner :) Og heldigvis, så har de som er decision-makers og vaske-ekte luftfartseksperter en annen holdning enn deg! :)

Einar Sørensen (73) har jobbet en mannsalder i luftfarten, han kan titulere seg med "luftfartsekspert" med stolthet. Han har bl.a vært norsk representant i EUs luftfartsgruppe. Han publiserte i går følgende artikkel:

Et nødrop fra luftfarten

Et nødrop fra luftfarten

Når katastrofen kan ramme et selskap som Lufthansa, er spørsmålet om vi egentlig er så trygge som vi har likt å tro.

NEST ETTER TOG er flyet det sikreste transportmiddelet vi har. Samtidig er flyet også det mest sårbare med de suverent minste sikkerhetsmarginene. Det er lett å forstå. Når man sitter i et smalt metall- eller komposittrør 10 000 meter over bakken og beveger seg med opp mot 250 meter per sekund blir forskjellen på liv og død veldig liten. Det er denne forskjellen alt flysikkerhetsarbeid - også kalt flytryggingsarbeid - dreier seg om.

Og nå har vi i verdens tryggeste region for sivil luftfart, Europa, blitt rammet av en katastrofe ingen trodde var mulig. Aller minst med bunnsolide Lufthansa, som har en pilotutvelgelse og pilotskole som regnes som ledende globalt. Når katastrofen kan ramme et slikt selskap, så er spørsmålet om vi egentlig er så trygge som vi har likt å tro.

INITIATIVET FRA norske samferdselspolitikere og Samferdselsdepartementet om å gjennomgå flysikkerhetsarbeidet er derfor meget prisverdig. Men dette må ikke begrenses til spørsmålet om psykologisk helsesjekk av piloter, enn si krav om to personer i cockpit.
Vi lever i en tid med en voldsom vekst i flytrafikken verden over, fra over 3 milliarder i fjor til fordobling i løpet av de neste 10-15 årene. Flyfabrikantene regner med 35 000 nye store passasjerfly frem mot 2030. Det sier sitt om behovet for blant annet nye piloter — og da blir det store spørsmålet hvordan vi velger ut disse, utdanningens innhold, sertifisering, samt arbeidsforholdene for piloter — men i like stor grad kabinpersonellet som har en vital funksjon for trygg luftfart. De må ikke glemmes!

Det norske samferdselsdepartementet bør derfor så raskt som mulig etter den varslede gjennomgang av flysikkerheten nasjonalt ta kontakt med våre nordiske naboer for å få i gang et felles arbeid for styrket flysikkerhet. Dette bør skje i tett samarbeid med regionens fagmyndigheter, flyselskaper og de ansattes organisasjoner. Vi bør finne frem til felles nordiske løsninger, som bør dekke de tre store utfordringene som spesielt EU arbeider med: Bedring av flysikkerheten, sikre like konkurransevilkår for flyselskapene og ivaretakelse av arbeidstakernes rettigheter. Dette er tre sider av samme sak.

BAKTEPPET ER globaliseringen av luftfarten. Konsekvensene har spesielt piloter og kabin-personell lenge advart sterkt mot. I internasjonale luftfartsmiljøer har kritiske røster også vært å høre. Nylig avgåtte leder for den amerikanske flyhavarikommisjonen, National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Deborah Hersman, er blant dem. I juni i fjor sa hun at i en tid der alle snakker om hvor sikkert det er å reise med fly opplever vi at både flyfabrikanter og flyselskaper hardt presset av konkurransen er fristet til redusert toleranse mot risikoen for feil og ulykker.

Det er denne tendens som i dag kanskje er den største utfordring for flysikkerheten. Vi kan aldri komme ned til null på ulykkesstatistikkene, men siden trafikken øker sterkt, må vi rent logisk regne med et økende antall større katastrofer med mange dødsofre. I tillegg kommer tusenvis av mindre uhell - «incidents» som knapt registreres, men som er kanskje de viktigste delene i tryggingsarbeidet. Alt dette krever et styrket forebyggende arbeid.

KATASTROFEN SOM har rammet Germanwings, et lavprisselskap eid av Lufthansa, reiser en mengde spørsmål. Noen av disse gjelder piloters helse og psykiske tilstand - og andre igjen hvordan det overhodet var mulig for en syk person å slippe gjennom nettverket av kontroller etablert av Lufthansa selv. Vi kan ta det for gitt at denne kontrollen nå vil utvides sterkt ved at Europas felles flysikkerhetsorganisasjon, European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), får et større ansvar enn tidligere.

En norsk og nordisk løsning på blant annet helsesjekk av flygende personell må samordnes med et europeisk regelverk, som etter hvert må dekke helheten innen flysikkerhet. Dette bør være viktig i en tid der flytrafikken fra Norge til utenlandske destinasjoner er den sentrale bærebjelken for flyselskapenes økonomi.

DET SOM nå står på spill er selve grunnlaget for næringen: Tillit til at den drives på en måte som sikrer oss brukere optimal sikkerhet.


Jeg er så GLAD for at sentrale personligheter i luftfarten nå sier i fra, og er tydelig engasjert i saken. Flysikkerhets-ansvarlige i bolag jeg flyr mest med er kjempeflinke med å komme med dagsaktuelle kommentarer og artikler i norske aviser nå om dagen, hvilket får meg til å føle en stolthet ovenfor disse menn som står i spissen av ikke bare luftstrømmene når de flyr oss verden rundt - men også i spissen for safety culture i bransjen.
 
@Aurora vill bara påminna att enligt svensklag så är det inte tillåtet att kopiera hela verk skapade av andra personer. Med andra ord är det inte tillåtet att kopiera dessa artiklar i sin helhet och lägga upp här. Du får göra kortare citat och sedan hänvisa med länken till hela artikeln.
 
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